Here we go again
Another public worker is leaving the job with a ridiculous amount of claimed unused sick, personal holiday and vacation time. The Daily Record's Rob Jennings says Rockaway Police Chief Walter Kimble will get over $266,000 which is more than double his $125,955 annual salary. He will get $80,880 annual pension when he officially retires in September. He has been on paid vacation since July. There is no way his town or any other can budget for such payouts. Plus the sick time claimed for 25 years ago is being paid out in today's dollars. Vacation and personal holiday time should be used in the year it's due or lost. Sick pay shouldn't be carried over either. That's the way it is outside the enchanted kingdom that is New Jersey.
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posted by Bob Ingle at 7:00 AM
35 Comments:
In the real world, sick/vacation time doesn't accrue forever. Most of the time it is 'use or lose'.
Maybe these guys have so much sick/vacation time they don't know what to do with it? If they are on the public dime, maybe we should take some of it back.
Bob, do you have a good source for airsick-bags? We shouldn't have to read this stuff without one nearby.
Vacation and personal holiday time should be used in the year it's due or lost. RIGHT!
Sick pay is a form of insurance to where if for some reason you are unable to report to work to earn that income the sick pay (insurance) covers it. If you never get sick that's great, you'll get a gold watch when you retire in recognition of your excelent attendance. There is no way sick days should roll over nor should vacation days. If you chose not to use the vacation days during the year for which they are allocated then you should have to sell back those days those days the last day of that year. You should not be able to sell back a 25 year old sick/vacation day at your current salary. JOIN THE REAL WORLD!
Even the federal government does not all accumulation of "sick OR vacation days"..why should the state be so generous with OUR money ,except for the fact Politicians get to buy the union votes
I think it's time that police chiefs and school superintendants devulge their secret to health that allows them not to take sick days throughout their career.
Time to start prosecuting. The statistical probability of perfect health for 30 to 40 years makes it 'beyond a reasonable doubt'.
It seems the bigger the fish, the bigger the crime. The police chief is stealing tens or hundreds of thousands, Trenton steals hundreds of millions to billions.
Each is a form of organized crime.
How many sick and vacation days a year do these people get? I can see if they get 20 sick days a year, even if they use the typical one or two days they still carry over an ungodly number of days. That's the way it works in education too. After 8 or 9 years as a teacher's assistane my spouse has something like 75 sick days accumulated. That's rediculous!
And here I am, like a sucker, going to work everyday...
There's NO WAY NO HOW anyone can trace the number of unused sick/personal/vacation days back 25-30 years. Impossible.
He would have had to keep track of unused days AT A TIME LUMP SUMS WERE NOT PART OF RETIREMENT PKGS.
It's beyond reasonable doubt that ALL retiring police chiefs now GET LUMP SUMS FOR unused days 30-40 years past.
Clearly, these trough-swillers spend hours scheming to game the system, colluding with other swillers on the ways to bleed hard-working taxpayers (when they should be attending to their jobs).
Swiller Organized Crime shows a *pattern*--- indicative of massive collusion in financial government schemes to ripoff taxpayers.
Taxpayers need to be one step ahead of the criminal minds involved in Swiller Organized Crime---and to identify the capos at the head of this crime family.
Taxpayers will not tolerate these ripoffs.
L/E should get busy and start prosecuting. Taxpayers demand thorough, independent investigations.
Charges should include "Official Misconduct, Fraudulent Pension-Pumping, Collusion, and Theft By Deception. Tax evasion, violation of state and US bank laws, and misuse of tax-exempt school bond revenue should be in the mix.
If wire transfers, US Mails, electronic or computers means were employed to file false reports, additional charges should be considered.
He will get $80,880 annual pension.
And how much are taxpayers being extorted for his annuity?
Does that include a no-show government job? With all the perks? Including a state car with free gas?
Guy probably has a private business he's been running on the aside......maybe selling tasers, toilet paper, or donuts to L/E offices.
The purpose must be to bankrupt the State.
The reporters should ask the master bond trader of a Governor on what he thinks of these financial settlements.
bikespinning
we need to BANKRUPT this state NOW and start again fresh, all past corruption will be washed away. This cannot continue, they are all trying to cash in NOW before the ponzi scheme falls
Everyone in private world needs to STOP paying their property taxes for up to a year and make the State realize this is WAR
Javagold
would you rather have the person use all his vac days? next the cry will be why is the OT bill so high?
maybe you all should donate your time and fill in for all these employees, they should do the job for free next right?
pay the person for all un used vacation days on Dec 30th every year
pay the person for 1/2 of all un used sick time (most get 15 days a year max) on Dec 30th
no big retirement payouts
but while you are crying about 300,000 the school construction lost 8 ^%$# billion and no one is looking at all those dem connect companies.....his sick time and vac is tiny compared to school principals who have off all summer and still get crazy sick days.
At least two things come to mind.
Sick time usually (in the real world) does not accrue in the private sector like this.
Secondly, it appears that the amount of sick time is way to liberal if all these people leave with such a large cache of days.
I can handle vacation time a little better but any remaining sick time should be resolved at the end of each year. Perhaps 1/2 pay for each day turned in each year.
Of course those that negotiate these deals aren't the ones saddled with the burden and the populous being akin to a large herd of sheep, I expect no changes. Just ever increasing taxes and fees to pay off deals that any person in their right mind and with a bit of common sense would never agree to give to ann employee.
TB
Let's eliminate all municipal police departments and instead have the state police patrol all municipalities. Think how many municiple employees and how many of these inflated retirement packages could be eliminated. Every one square mile town will no longer have to have a station or cars. Economies of scale.
To put this in perspective; the $266,000.00 in unused sick, personal holiday and vacation time, is 88% of the amount the State is charging my small, rural municipality for State Police protection under the new budget.
In other words, this one man is walking out with almost as much as it costs to provide police protection to an entire community for a whole year!
At what point do we declare our independence from this tyranny?
This year, I missed my first day of work for illness in 18 years!! No firm that I have worked since about that time has an allocation for sick days (much less compensation for non-used days) because they know thatthey will be abused(Allocating days is a recipe for disaster. The rule of thumb now is: if you're sick, stay home and do not overuse the # of days.) NJ has got to get with the program.
On a more general note: the state workers have got to stop thinking they are the victim of unfair budget cuts. In fact, they were living in the fantasy world of unsustainable benefits and the demographics have now turned against them. Good to know the pols are ahead of the curve on this fact. They have raised the budget by 33% over the past eight years to pay for this fantasy!!
The end of the Roman Empire came with a whimper, not a bang. It came for the same reason that the end will come not only to NJ but to the United States as well.
Unless the size of ALL governments are cut and cut some more the US will go the way of US auto companies. Too many employees being paid too much money with too many lifetime benefits and too many pensions can only have one result and the auto companies have shown what that result is.
Social security, medicare, medicaid - all these liabilities are unfunded and the entire GDP will not be enough to pay them. Eventually, everyone reaches a point where they say, "What am I working for?" At that point, if the government continues to print more and more money in an effort to pay everyone the end will come quickly. Even another Ronald Reagan could not save the country at that point and that point is not far off.
The vast majority of the population, especially our pandering politicos, live in a fantasy world. Ignoring reality does not change reality. There are very few adults in America and when the children are being led by children the result can only be The Lord of the Flies and if you look closely at the societal decay that is exactly what you see. Petulant, spoiled children concerned only with themselves, unaware of the world around them (remember in the book they were on an island), deeming THEMSELVES entitled to EVERYTHING, unwilling to sacrifice and descending into barbarism. Gangs are the most glaring example of this barbarism, the ever increasing gorging at the public teat is much more subtle but barbarism none the less.
Buying off the barbarians did not work for the Romans and it will not work for this Country either.
This is a nation of PIGS, the PIGS in NJ are only leading the parade to the unavoidable slaughter.
I was struck by this comment from Michele Malkin. She uses the example of one idiot's thought process about the upcoming national election but her conclusion sums up what is happening to the Country but has already happened in NJ. We are past the hurtling...we have arrived.
"The exclamation of a journalist at the UNITY minority news media gathering this weekend sums up the star-struck reverence that fuels the Obama phenomenon:'He touched me!' And yet, he's sooo 'down to earth.'
Hurtling toward a government of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid we go." ---Michelle
Malkin
10:46 AM To put this in perspective; the $266,000.00 in unused sick, personal holiday and vacation time, is 88% of the amount the State is charging my small, rural municipality for State Police protection under the new budget. This one man is pocketing almost as much as it costs to provide police protection to an entire community for a whole year.
Excellent point, 10:46 AM
SCAM-A-RAMA TRAFFIC TICKET SURCHARGE
Jersey tax coffers are empty what with government fraud, and Jon and the Wall Streeters picking us clean. Man, those wire transfers are zooming into offshore accounts 24/7.
COLLUSION Since the tax cupboard is bare, the cops colluded with pols in a secret deal to gouge taxpayers--they will extort $40 surcharge on traffic tickets so that cops can walk away with six-figure bonuses, pensions, annuities, lifetime benefits and "lump sums."
Betcha the trough-swiller who thought up the "ticket surcharge" scam got bigtime rewards.
The swiller probably got several more state pension apps, a six- figure "performance" bonus, couple more state cars and $90,000 no-show state jobs for his wife and mistresses.
Man I'd like to see those phone records, emails and faxes between the Fraternal Order of Police and the Gold Dome Boys.
Anon 10:34
you said
".....his sick time and vac is tiny compared to school principals"
So that makes it ok? He doesn't steal as much?
I say let's trim the police force, most of what they do is give seat belt tickets and chase dogs without licenses. And let's trim the education budget as well, if that makes you feel better.
There's a reason that it costs $176 (up to $ $528) to forget your wallet (license at home). It's the same reason it costs $12K a year to sit one nine-year old in a cement block room with teacher and 20 other kids.
It's because this is New Jersey and everyone wants their personal payoff. You can screw us over, sure, there is nothing we can do. But please don't complain when we whine about it. If you don't like it, take your $ 266,00 payoff and buy some earplugs.
Oh, and one other thing; this police chief, like all the other cops, will never have to pay the $176 fine, or any other fine, because they have those nice cards and badges that place them above the law. Another little perk. Not only do they never get sick, they never go 1 mph above the limit. Amazing stuff.
Nothing will change.
The only people outraged by this are the lowly taxpayers.
The privileged class loves it, and laughs at our impotence.
9:09 AM It seems the bigger the fish, the bigger the crime. The police chief is stealing tens or hundreds of thousands, Trenton steals hundreds of millions to billions.
You got that right 9:09. Read on.
Pension fund down $5 BILLION
The Treasury Dept's website shows the account that bankrolls state pensions is down a whopping 3.1% for the budget year ending June 30, a preliminary report shows (could be even more). The loss means the pension investment fund (stacked with Jon's Wall Street buddies) ended the budget year June 30 with $77.7 billion in assets------almost $5 BILLION below where it was at the start of the fiscal year.
Jon’s hand-picked Wall Street pals at the state Division of Looting stunned the financial world by investing $400M in cratering Citigroup and took a $300M position in iffy Merrill Lynch---all in the shadows of the collapse of banking giant Bear Stearns. Jon's appointees followed up with a $180M investment in Lehman Brothers which is considered the next banking giant to topple.
You'd think Jon and his WS pals would be content with the $5 Billion pension fund heist. Not really. Greed on that scale is never satiated.
After this gigantic, unprecedented $5 BILLION looting, the state Investment Council con artists are extorting taxpayers for more play money.
These conmen are increasing----by law---the amount they plan to loot from the pension fund. You read right. Jon and his buddies are rigging Jersey laws to increase the amount they can use in their bogus **alternative investment** schemes---upping their gambling money from 18% to 28%.
Must be plenty of quid pro quos going on under the Gold Dome to get those aye votes from The Machine for Jonny and his pals.
US banks are cratering but offshore banks are piled with money-----from all the wire transfers to be flooding in from government fraud.
WHAT WAS JON ‘S CUT
Aug 07, Corzio appointed to the State Investment Council (AKA Div of Looting) council W. Montgomery Cerf of JP Morgan's private bank unit, Jose R. Claxton of Latigo Partners---a hedge fund, and, Erika Irish Brown, senior VP at Lehman Bros
$123M GIVEAWAY In 2005, Corzio okayed the state Economic Development Authority giving $123M tax dollars to Lehman Brothers and Morgan Stanley
For doing what, you might ask?
News reports said the payout was TO DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING----to cancel an earlier deal.
The payout was more than the total revenue generated by realty transfer taxes (or 13 categories of state-imposed fees) in all of 2004.
Not only do they never get sick, they never go 1 mph above the limit.
you are correct 11:24 AM
Lets have some in press do a report on every Police chief and Super and see how many SICK days and Moving Violation Tickets EVERY one of them has over the last 8 year
i would wager my mortgage that not a one has been sick or received a ticket !!!!!
Javagold
When you don't report to anyone during the day who monitors your behavior, it is a simple exercise to stay home when you are sick, or sneak out during the day to go to the doctor. This has been happening in police departments for years.
This Contract was negotiated with public officials ,and out in the open it is a legitimate and enforceable .Nobody has complained when it was signed or for the last 30 years any discussion to the contrary is moot
louis,
wake up call for louis: public officals are corrupt! It's called organized crime. hello? are you awake?
Louis (1:13 PM) makes an excellent point about the contract being openly negotiated and signed. Who approved it? That was also the question for that Keansburg woman who is walking away with $750K. Who approved this, and WHY?
Also, I've heard people say that paying people for unused sick time gives them incentive to come to work. I work in the private sector, and my incentive to go to work is that I want to keep my job. I think it's probably true, though, that you can't have a public sick day policy that says only that you should stay home if you are sick and don't abuse the system. This works in the private sector because there is a hammer if someone is seen to be abusing their sick days. However in the public sector people are not paid to think, and everything must be spelled out for them exactly.
louis,
When the two parties that negotiate a contract are corrupt the resultant product is called collusion.
The reasons this has not been an issue for 30 years are: a)it likely wasn't reported, b)if it was reported the dollar amounts were likely not so outrageous and, c)the State had not taxed the people to near exhaustion.
And don't give me any nonsense about "if we are not happy with the negotiators we should elect elect someone else. The machines make that impossible. (Hint: they are in on the corruption and the collusion.)
These people are PIGS. This State is hostage to 128 PIGS and anyone new who is elected very quickly joins in the slop that they get from you.
FIDUCIARY NEGLIGENCE
How did the Rockaway Police claim his $266,000 lump sum? What evidence did he use as proof of unused days?
He had to have filed financial documents with government agencies. Did he file falsified official documents? Did govt agencies check the document for accuracy?
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Taxpayers demand that bank(s) holding Rockaway government monies be audited immediately, and reveal their findings.
If the bank(s) do not comply, taxpayers will report them to state and federal regulators.
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If Rockaway is using state grants to payout the $266,000, they may be using tax-exempt bond revenue for an unspecified purpose.
Misleading bond investors is a serious crime which the SEC and IRS do not take lightly.
Report suspicious use of tax-exempt bond revenue. Report tax fraud violations using tax-exempt bond revenue.
(1) EMAIL enforcement@SEC.gov.
(2) IRS TOLL-FREE 1-800-829-0433 You may remain anonymous.
(3) Govt officials mishandling tax-exempt revenue should be turned in for fiduciary negligence. EMAIL askDOJ@USDOJ.gov.
this is yet another reason to reduce and consolidate the outrageous number of police departments in this state. i cringe everytime i read about some police chief, captain or lieutenent retiring, because their retirement packages takes my breath away. i just sent in my quarterly property tax bill which is a lot higher then my sister's YEARLY tax bill in virginia and her house is worth twice as much as mine. her county has a sheriff and a dozen or so deputies and they have a lot less crime than us. i think it's time to move.
All this police stuff is nothing more than equivocation. Education consumes the vast majority of the state budget. That is what has to be addressed. The rest of this is nonsense.
At least the police prevent crime, catch criminals, lock up the miscreants and generally do a great job protecting the public. (If the budget situation was resolved the police wouldn't even have to harass the people with $40 surcharges, and speed traps, and cell phone and seat belt nonsense.)
If education itself and its relation to property taxes is not addressed (and it is not even being discussed at this time, the Special Summer Session of '06 forgotten after accomplishing nothing other than proving that to NJ politicians TALKING about problems is the same as solving them)nothing else is going to much matter.
Yes, government is out of control but it is the Education department that is most out of control and consumes the most money by far and away. Unless and until the idiocy that passes for public education in NJ is addressed everything else will remain mere distractions from the real problem.
JD
I am sure you will all complain when people take all of their vacation days and sick days each year. I know of many people in the private sector who get personal time which is their sick time and vacation time. It rolls over and you can buy it out every few years too. It is not unusual.
Anon 8:13,
Having worked in the private sector over 40 years and 8 companies I never encountered any type of vacation/sick/personal days buyout. I'm sure most of the bloggers can say the same.
Keep one thing in mind, private sector jobs are reality, state/county/municipal jobs are fantasy to most workers.
thank goodness i had accrued sick time when I underwent surgery this year.
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